oscillator HEF4060B counter doesnt count

Description: The initial issue pertains to the 16 MHz crystal oscillator, which fails to initiate oscillation. However, when substituting the 16 MHz crystal with an 11 MHz or lower frequency crystal, the oscillator functions correctly. An oscilloscope reveals a clear 11 MHz sinusoidal waveform on pin 11, while pin 9 exhibits a less desirable square waveform, suggesting that the oscillator components are operational. The Master Reset (MR) pin is grounded, indicating that the circuit should perform as intended. Nonetheless, the output pins remain at fixed values. The 14-stage counter receives a signal from the oscillator stage, observable at pin 9, yet it does not count; most pins remain low, and when any pin goes high, raising the MR pin causes it to revert to low. This indicates that the logic and Master Reset functions are operational, but the counter itself is not responding. An update reveals that after reconstructing the circuit with a different layout on another breadboard, it now successfully operates with frequencies of 4 MHz, 11 MHz, and 14.1 MHz (from 9 to 15V). The 16 MHz crystal still presents issues, as it only begins oscillating when the capacitor between pin 11 and ground is removed. Various capacitor values, ranging from 1 to 1000 pF, were tested without success. The absence of a datasheet for the specific crystal complicates the determination of appropriate capacitor values. This situation may relate to testing near the device's maximum frequency on a breadboard, which introduces inductance and creates large loops in wiring. Additionally, effective power bypassing is challenging due to the necessity of using capacitors with long leads. Testing at lower frequencies is recommended, and it may be beneficial to manually toggle the reset or utilize a function generator. According to the datasheet, the lower end of the maximum frequency at 12V is approximately 12 MHz, with typical values being significantly higher, although such specifications may not be reliable without proper PCB bypassing. The parasitic capacitance introduced by the breadboard could also influence the oscillator circuit, necessitating adjustments. It is advisable to consider less likely factors that are often taken for granted, such as the breadboard and cables.

The oscillator circuit described utilizes a crystal resonator to generate a stable frequency signal. The crystal's role is to provide a precise oscillation frequency determined by its physical characteristics. In this case, the initial 16 MHz crystal failed to start oscillating, which can be attributed to various factors including incorrect load capacitance, parasitic capacitance from the breadboard, or layout issues affecting signal integrity. When the 16 MHz crystal was replaced with an 11 MHz crystal, the circuit functioned correctly, indicating that the oscillator stage and supporting components were operational.

The output signals from the oscillator are fed into a 14-stage counter, which is designed to count pulses. The presence of a signal at pin 9 suggests that the oscillator is producing output, but the counter's failure to count indicates a potential issue with the counter's configuration or connection. The grounding of the MR pin suggests that the reset functionality is working correctly, allowing for normal operation when the counter is provided with clock pulses.

The update regarding the circuit's performance on a different breadboard indicates that layout and connection quality significantly impact oscillator behavior. The successful operation at lower frequencies suggests that the original breadboard may have introduced excess inductance or capacitance, which can adversely affect high-frequency operations. The challenges faced with the 16 MHz crystal, specifically its dependence on removing the capacitor to oscillate, highlight the importance of matching the load capacitance to the crystal specifications, which are typically found in the manufacturer's datasheet.

In conclusion, the performance of oscillator circuits is highly sensitive to layout, component values, and environmental factors. Proper testing and adjustments, including the use of lower frequencies and careful consideration of parasitic elements, are essential for achieving reliable operation. The lack of a datasheet for the crystal complicates the tuning process, emphasizing the need for thorough documentation and understanding of component specifications in electronic design.The first problem is with the 16Mhz xtal the thing doesn`t even start to oscillate. But that`s a secondary problem. If I replace 16MHz xtal with a 11MHz one (or less) the oscillator starts. I can see with the `scope that I have a nice 11Mhz sinusoidal waveform on the pin 11, and I see a not-so-nice square-ish waveform on the pin 9 (so, I imagine t hat oscillator parts works fine). The MR pin (Master Reset) is connected to GND. So, everything should work as expected. Problem is that I have fixed values on the output pins! The 14 stage counter is receiving a signal from the oscillator stage (as I can see it on the pin 9) but doesn`t count. Pins are almost always zero. And when some pin is at 1, if I raise MR, pin goes to 0. So, the logic and Master Reset is working, but the counter is not. UPDATE: I`ve rebuilt the circuit with a different layout on a different breadboard, and now it works with 4MHz, 11MHz and 14.

1MHz (from 9 to 15V). The 16Mhz one still have some problem, because it starts to oscillate only if I remove the capacitor between PIN11 and ground. I tried with some random values, from 1 to 1000pF, and nothing. But I think that this could be a problem caused by the breadboard as apalopohapa said. Moreover I don`t have the datasheet for the specific xtal, so I don`t know how to find right capacitor values.

Maybe this should be another question. The problem could be related to testing at near the device`s maximum frequency on a breadboard. Breadboards add inductance to all the pins and force large loops in your wiring. They also make proper power bypassing difficult because you have to use caps with long leads. Test at lower frequencies and see what happens. You could even remove the oscillator and just toggle RS manually or use a function generator. Note from the datasheet that the lower end of the maximum frequency at 12V is about 12 MHz (the typical value is much higher, but you can`t really count on it because it is not guaranteed), but this was probably rated with device properly bypassed on a pcb. Lastly, the parasitic capacitance that the breadboard adds will affect the oscillator circuit, so you may have to adjust for this.

Like I said in a comment before, you may need to start looking for the improbable, or things that you take for granted because they usually don`t fail: the breadboard, cables, etc.